tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post1520876277201381390..comments2023-08-28T19:10:45.798-04:00Comments on Common Sense Catholicism: The TOB Debate: Where are we Now?Kevin Tierneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-87387830612418618352010-10-06T15:32:50.706-04:002010-10-06T15:32:50.706-04:00Mrs. King,
I trust the revision meets your satisf...Mrs. King,<br /><br />I trust the revision meets your satisfaction?<br /><br />Will be shooting you a message when I'm home to discuss this further.Kevin Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-27178612712709253602010-10-04T17:39:10.107-04:002010-10-04T17:39:10.107-04:00Mrs. King,
I mean no attempt to twist the facts a...Mrs. King,<br /><br />I mean no attempt to twist the facts as is.<br /><br />I left open the possibility in the note I cited that I was unaware of things that may have happened in the private realm.<br /><br />I was only going off your public comments, with no apology, and a statement that if sister wanted to remove them, she could, but you weren't sorry for airing them.<br /><br />I am awareKevin Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-77787024670213780762010-10-04T17:23:57.606-04:002010-10-04T17:23:57.606-04:002.) I am aware of one instance in private, becaus...2.) I am aware of one instance in private, because I myself was involved. When Christina King made some comments that were (to put it mildly) quite uncharitable. I requested Sister remove them. While no comment was made publicly, they were removed. If there are any such private events, I am unaware of them, but I am not ruling out the possibility.<br /><br />This whole thing just makes me Christina Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897945149064888568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-41333234895797277242010-10-04T17:15:39.652-04:002010-10-04T17:15:39.652-04:00Kevin,
Yet if anyone comes there from the opposit...Kevin,<br /><br />Yet if anyone comes there from the opposite side in charity and attempts to have a dialogue with him (As Christina King has done), one sees a very civil discussion going on. His last three posts on the issue have lacked a lot of the polemical tone that previous ones have.<br /><br />I would have to agree. I have come to understand more of where and even why there is a Christina Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897945149064888568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-30366400287005006302010-10-04T12:52:59.296-04:002010-10-04T12:52:59.296-04:00I referred back to Sr. Lorraine's blog, and I ...I referred back to Sr. Lorraine's blog, and I would have to agree with you. I take back what I said - for the most part. You clarified it for me when you identified, "equivocating 'spousal' and 'sexual'" as being erroneous. However, is it not true that the "sexual" is a sign of the "spousal"? Kevin, you seem to want to say that the "sexual&Wade St. Ongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188238068927761034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-46165542203586133852010-10-04T09:01:14.860-04:002010-10-04T09:01:14.860-04:00Now on the final two points:
1.) If one is attem...Now on the final two points:<br /><br />1.) If one is attempting to find common ground with a thesis, then that common ground must be held by both sides in order to have any value. They do not hold that their critics are well-catechized or spiritually mature. Quite the opposite in fact.<br /><br />So even if what you say might be true on a surface level (I think it has some uses, but Kevin Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-5671691256101114852010-10-04T08:45:38.277-04:002010-10-04T08:45:38.277-04:00Now in regards to polemical statements of certain ...Now in regards to polemical statements of certain authors:<br /><br />People are free to see I've had a discussion with Mr. Kellmeyer on his blog about his tone at times, and how I think some of his work is too much tone, too little substance.<br /><br />As one who loves to read Roman history, and then religious figures such as Tertullian and St. Jerome and St. Frances De Sales (the gentle Kevin Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-76644300727210128882010-10-04T08:39:50.825-04:002010-10-04T08:39:50.825-04:00"I think this has become evident in the “East..."I think this has become evident in the “Easter Candle as phallic symbol” debate. Your opponents have made some good points in this regard that you refuse to acknowledge and continue to argue against without any change in your original position."<br /><br />I'm just curious, what are those points? On my part, the challenge I issued remains unanswered, there have been no citations Kevin Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09772355448244959559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-85010964462159007022010-10-04T07:53:41.719-04:002010-10-04T07:53:41.719-04:00That certain issues that will go unnamed are “sens...<i>That certain issues that will go unnamed are “sensitive” issues begs the question – “why are these considered so ‘sensitive’?” Once again, the possibility of a “prudish spirit” comes to mind here.</i><br /><br />It's not <i>prudery</i> but <i>prudence</i>. Confessors used to be warned not to subject penitents (especially children) to extensive questioning because such questioning can <i>dcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424510747759223459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-7299397691722093162010-10-04T01:03:05.335-04:002010-10-04T01:03:05.335-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Wade St. Ongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188238068927761034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-38497994504682744542010-10-04T01:00:53.795-04:002010-10-04T01:00:53.795-04:00To respond to your critique of my thesis:
You sa...To respond to your critique of my thesis: <br /><br />You say: “Wade's thesis ultimately falls short for one simple reason: Mr. West and his defenders (outside of perhaps Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve) reject this characterization of Mr. West's work.” <br /><br />I do not think you can reject my thesis just because they reject my characterization of his work. If I say he is a good “Wade St. Ongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188238068927761034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-964979022938948880.post-69421561488125427862010-10-04T00:57:12.246-04:002010-10-04T00:57:12.246-04:00Kevin, you say: “I fully concede I may be viewed a...Kevin, you say: “I fully concede I may be viewed as a biased observer. ... I make no apologies for my work.”<br /><br />Nor should you. You have done a top-notch job representing this side. But I agree – I think you are tending towards a certain bias. I think this has become evident in the “Easter Candle as phallic symbol” debate. Your opponents have made some good points in this regard that you Wade St. Ongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188238068927761034noreply@blogger.com